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HawkofStorms · Dec 03, 2007, 04:02 PM // 16:02

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Originally Posted by Esan

I have a real life, job and family, and don't even play PvE all that much. HM has been out since April. How much time does one need? Even at the comfortable average rate of two zones a day, it takes a mere two months. And with all the boosts PvE has gotten since GW:EN, vanquishing has never been easier. Just grab the nearest three N/Rts, consume some ables, and slap on a bear suit.

That's over 2 hours a day. Far from casual.

aapo · Dec 03, 2007, 04:28 PM // 16:28

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Originally Posted by Isileth

hmm, actually looking up on my shelf I seem to be spotting quite a few single player games. That doesnt make any sense....

- Which brings me back to my original question: what is the point of games if you're not playing with other people?

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Originally Posted by Isileth

Lets take chess for example. Is in not a game when you play against a computer?

- Sure, and solitaire too. Just because you can hone your game by practicing against computer (most often it's done to test that particular computer's ability), it doesn't mean chess was meant to be played alone against AI.

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Originally Posted by Isileth

And just because you find it boring and "work" to play with AI doesnt mean the rest of us do.

- I'm just quoting what pops up on these forums very often.

Bryant Again · Dec 03, 2007, 04:34 PM // 16:34

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Originally Posted by aapo

- Which brings me back to my original question: what is the point of games if you're not playing with other people?

To have fun by yourself without someone saying "YOU *#^%ING CHEATED"?

the_jos · Dec 03, 2007, 04:35 PM // 16:35

While I might team up with non-alliance members for HM missions, I won't for vanquish.
I might take a 'pick-up' in a team with several guildies, but that's about it.
It's fun to play with new people, but vanquishing takes too much time to depend on someone that also might have a life outside guildwars.

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HM has been out since April. How much time does one need?

I need ages.
I recently finished my tyrian guardian track. I could not be bothered getting that last mission (did bonus earlier, but got d/c and no reconnect on mission).
Furtermore, I like playing with guildies more then solo vanquishing.
And if they prefer a human monk for a vanquish, I bring a monk and not my mesmer. Vanquishing as part of title hunting has no priority for me.

Even now I meet a lot of people that are still working on their vanquishing title.
People that are good but had other priorities. Or just don't like playing solo.

Tyla · Dec 03, 2007, 05:25 PM // 17:25

because alot of the pve community are H/H.

Kook~NBK~ · Dec 03, 2007, 07:29 PM // 19:29

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Originally Posted by Esan

Those who are still trying to get legendary vanquisher are the bottom of the barrel. Ask yourself if you really want to group with these players. Most people who wanted that title it got it months and months ago.

What a load of B.S. You have no idea why people still haven't gotten the title(s) yet. Real life takes priority for most people. Many people have been spending their time working on other titles, (there are about 40 of them, you know). Some people, like me, don't spend every in-game minute working on the same title. I've been spreading my playing time around between 15 -20 titles. It may not get me any one title quickly, but I'm in no hurry & that's how I roll.

ensoriki · Dec 03, 2007, 07:34 PM // 19:34

Wow Esan...your bad.
Your like those guys from HA who would not allow people in for not having /r9 that they only got from running IWAY.

Scarlett Romanov · Dec 03, 2007, 07:50 PM // 19:50

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Originally Posted by Antheus

PUGs and HM don't mix.

Pretty much. I've never found a decent HM PUG for anything.

I've tried finding pugs for vanquishing, but there never are any. I've also looked for guilds that are hardcore vanquishers. I haven't found any through this forum or in-game. *sigh*

I've managed to vanquish a few areas in Elona with henchs/heroes. I don't know if I'll ever bother to finish vanquishing Elona. Vanquishing is quite boring at times and I'm not one for obtaining massive titles. I just want People Know Me so I can get my Rainbow Phoenix. Vanquishing is too painful and time consuming to bother with. I think I'll stick to capping!

Martin Firestorm · Dec 03, 2007, 09:14 PM // 21:14

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Originally Posted by aapo

While I agree with most posters in this thread, what is the point of games if you don't play with other people?

Just go play with yourself and find out. :P

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Originally Posted by Esan

I have a real life, job and family, and don't even play PvE all that much. HM has been out since April. How much time does one need? Even at the comfortable average rate of two zones a day, it takes a mere two months. And with all the boosts PvE has gotten since GW:EN, vanquishing has never been easier. Just grab the nearest three N/Rts, consume some ables, and slap on a bear suit.

A "mere" 2 zones a day for 2 months. And for what?

Just wow.

Toxage · Dec 03, 2007, 09:22 PM // 21:22

Because Vanquishing is poorly thought, takes too long, and lacks decent player rewards.

**cosyfiep** · Dec 03, 2007, 09:28 PM // 21:28

it takes too long to get a pug and then there is no guarantee that you will finish it, h/h will do it when you want to, for how long you have to play, will stop and take a break if the phone rings and not whine about it, etc.

just easier to h/h than pug.

AuraofMana · Dec 03, 2007, 09:35 PM // 21:35

Unless you have a HM guild that knows what it's doing or friends that do, go H/H. I am not saying there aren't good people in Pugs, but that has as much chance as D3 being announced before xmas.

the_jos · Dec 03, 2007, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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I've also looked for guilds that are hardcore vanquishers....

You won't find many around.
For most people, vanquishing is a one time event.
They do it for the title, that's it.

And I'm not really blaming them.
Compared to dungeons the rewards are not good enough.
And even if they were about the same, searching for that last group in a large area is not really fun.

You can't see me · Dec 03, 2007, 11:47 PM // 23:47

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Originally Posted by Vinraith

To have fun, obviously. What have "other people" got to do with it?

Here here!

If I vanquish, you can bet your last gold piece that I'll have no other humans in my group.

1 up and 2 down · Dec 03, 2007, 11:51 PM // 23:51

There are no more groups for vanquishing because all the noob... I mean ursanway groups vanquished everything.

chowmein69 · Dec 04, 2007, 12:53 AM // 00:53

most iof the people has already finished vanquishing and i mosyly use h/H and 1 or 2 friend to vanquish the areas

Esan · Dec 04, 2007, 01:46 AM // 01:46

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Originally Posted by Martin Firestorm

A "mere" 2 zones a day for 2 months. And for what?

To get that Legendary Vanquisher monument in the HoM, of course. Why else would anyone bother with vanquishing?

mage767 · Dec 04, 2007, 02:26 AM // 02:26

I'm going at 1-2 zones a day and with a guildie and heroes. It's more fun that way.

bj91x · Dec 04, 2007, 03:03 AM // 03:03

I don't vanquish because I don't like using the same build for an hour (or more) straight. I like to play GW in quick short bursts, lasting up to 30 minutes. Anything more than that, and I start to get really bored.

Oh, and like somebody mentioned, Vanquishing isn't designed very well. For Anet to not allow full heroes due to "social" reasons, they sure do a good job making retarded areas that discourage grouping with people.

Isileth · Dec 04, 2007, 04:19 AM // 04:19

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Originally Posted by aapo

- Which brings me back to my original question: what is the point of games if you're not playing with other people?

Im sorry are you actually suggesting that single player games are pointless?
Are you saying you cant have fun without other people?

Do you know how many single player games there are? Do you know how well they sell?

Its absurd to think you need to be playing with others to have fun.

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Originally Posted by aapo

- Sure, and solitaire too. Just because you can hone your game by practicing against computer (most often it's done to test that particular computer's ability), it doesn't mean chess was meant to be played alone against AI.

So is it any less of a game if you play against a computer? Is the game somehow changed?

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Originally Posted by aapo

- I'm just quoting what pops up on these forums very often.

Maybe you should find someone better to quote. As much as everyone is allowed their own opinion your trying to suggest that the whole gaming industry is built upon people who dont actually enjoy playing single player games...

Lets take computer space as the starting point (being the first commercially sold coin-operated game). That was released in 1971.

(Also remember thats the first video game, before this you had all sorts of coin operated machines, pinball and such. So single player enjoyment goes back even further, technically you can go back to 3000-4000BC and take single player games from there and beyond but lets keep it simple)

One of the first coop games was Gauntlet in 1985. Are you suggesting that in that time people didnt enjoy single player games?

And why would single player survive today? (Hell they sell better than multiplayer games)